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I'm Jim Breslow and this is the hidden

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excerpt from the latest episode from our

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podcast hidden truth transgender

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movement this is michelle Katella she's

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the president of the American College of

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pediatricians this group has been

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labeled a hate group

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it's her position that you're not born

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wherever you listen to podcasts so I'm

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president of the American College of

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pediatricians which is a national

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organization of pediatricians and other

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health care professionals who promote

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the optimal policies for children's

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health we formed in 2002 because at that

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point the American Academy of Pediatrics

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was the altie professional guild that

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child health professionals could belong

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to and they have essentially politicized

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medicine now that Academy sorry is that

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Academy something that essentially all

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pediatricians belong to for the most

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part because the Academy of Pediatrics

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is around 87 years old it is the

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professional guild the professional

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organization that virtually all

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pediatric trainees are inducted into

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there our training programs essentially

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pay for membership to that organization

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so for awhile a core group of us tried I

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mean one of our founding members is

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actually a past president of the

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American Academy of Pediatrics so we

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really tried to have our voices heard

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and we made scientific arguments as to

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why you know life does begin at

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conception

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before roe v-- wade we as an

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organization talked about our patients

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at conception and after ruby made all of

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a sudden we're championing a woman's

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right to choose

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abortion and and teenage girls right to

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choose abortion without parental consent

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isn't this a problem so that was the

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first issue that really got politicized

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even within Pediatrics and by the time

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2002 came around gay marriage and gay

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parenting was the big issue and the

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American Academy of Pediatrics board was

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poised to basically recommend same-sex

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parenting as identical to opposite-sex

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parenting that mothers and fathers are

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basically either one or the others

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irrelevant and the bioethics committee

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our bioethics committee on that American

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Academy of Pediatrics said whoa put on

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the brakes

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here's the evidence that you claim is

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sufficient when it's not let's let's

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look at the the quality of the data it's

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not here if you want to be scientific

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you have to say that the traditional

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family a married mother and father are

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optimal in raising children because we

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have all this decades of social science

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proof and you have to recommend further

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study for alternative alternative form

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of this was an advisory committee that

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was seeing this and exactly in the

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American Academy of Pediatrics board

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completely ignored completely ignored

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its own advisory committee and put forth

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the very poor research data at that

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point in 2002 and said oh no no

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difference no possible harm to children

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now we have several studies not just

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rigorous but dr. Paul Sullins

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has published at least four very large

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long-term studies documenting

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developmental harm to children who were

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raised by gay parents actually

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everything from more depression anxiety

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and APD to impaired physical health

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compared to children raised and loving

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traditionally married families so when

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you talk about Pediatrics it sounds to

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me like there is a psychological or

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elements to pediatrics absolutely you

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know it's not just job so in Pediatrics

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we're trained to take care of the whole

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child we're trained to diagnose

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behavioral problems psychological

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problems what we don't do is provide

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psychiatric talk therapy but we can

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advise parents in different approaches

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that they may take within the home that

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may help children so so do you guys have

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special day to be a pediatrician do you

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have special training compared to a

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general practitioner on issues of

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psychiatry and psychology you can in my

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case yes I took that I had a strong

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entrance interest in pediatric

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behavioral health and so I did

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additional electives and training in

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that area but at some point if there's

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serious psychological issues are you

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supposed to refer the child and the

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parents to a psychiatrist right so when

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major depression i I will assess the the

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child the teen and of course that's but

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with the parent as well and if

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medication is indicated I can initiate

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the antidepressant but I would not do

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that without first connecting the child

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with either therapists psychologists

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psychiatrists so but based on Pediatrics

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it is theoretically appropriate for the

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organization to take a position on

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something like gay parenting they yes

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you could certainly do that as in in the

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realm of pediatrics it's physical

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emotional behavioral social health so

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you can certainly make a position

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statement on that but you should be

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honest about the quality of the

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researcher you're basing your and what

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about say the American Psychiatric

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shishun or whatever that organization is

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have they taken a position on something

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like game air exactly yes

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virtually every mainstream medical

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organization their professional guilds

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basically so the American Psychological

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Association American Psychiatric even

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the American Medical Association have

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virtually all of them have come out in

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favor came out and are so in favor of

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gay marriage gay parenting they all cite

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the same poorly constructed studies

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so it's justify epic you know feeding

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off each other so when you talk about

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the political element of it I mean

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describe what you're talking about what

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what what how did politics in your view

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infiltrate the the Academy it's part

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it's part of being human in in one sense

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it's part of being human every human

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being has a worldview and I would say

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many of us who might be prone those

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prone to a more conservative worldview

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are more likely to value being home with

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family less likely to value climbing the

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ladder so to speak and what has

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gradually happened not only in medicine

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but higher you know and I think this is

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no secret but throughout university so

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higher education medicine psychiatry

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virtually any other public institution

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liberal-leaning folks individuals with

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liberal leaning worldviews tend to make

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up the majority in power and then within

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medical guilds the subcommittee's tend

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to be self selecting so for example in

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there's a subcommittee dedicated to LGBT

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health well the individuals within that

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sub-committee basically just volunteer

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and virtually all of them are lifelong

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LGBT activists they don't go out of

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their way to include others who may have

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an opposing worldview so ideally you

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want folks when it comes to social that

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that intersecting of medicine and social

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issues you have folks on the right and

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on the Left scientists from the right

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and scientists from the left to be part

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of a debate and a conversation about

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okay what does this data truly show

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right I mean they're really obviously

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shouldn't be any right in left when

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we're talking about science in medicine

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but you're pointing out that

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unfortunately that's the reality right

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all right we put it hat we don't have

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this problem when we're talking about

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gee how do you treat overwhelming sepsis

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with this particular bacteria right

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that's just a hardcore scientific let's

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let's test these antibiotics and figure

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it out easy but when medicine collides

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with social issues like abortion sex EDT

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right so two issues that that spurred

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your organization was the issue of when

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does life begin right and then the issue

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of gay parenting and then there's now an

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additional issue regarding gender

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dysphoria is that correct yeah I would

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say the differences between the AAP and

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the American College of pediatricians is

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is more than just those issues it's it's

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it's really about how can we come to

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objective scientific recommendations

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it's it's about the polarization of

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medicine and it's not I guess it's in

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the sexual realm it's also in terms of

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parent parent rights the Academy

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increasingly you know rather than

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viewing the pediatrician as a bridge

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between the child and the parent

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increasingly the the American

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to me presents doctors as needing to

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protect children against their parents

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or protect children from their parents

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so we we differ we differ that we're

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more of a traditional Hippocratic

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physician organization mm-hmm

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how many it's one of one of the major

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issues we differ on now is in terms of

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gender dysphoria yeah and I want to dig

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into into that one before I do so how

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many members do you now have yeah so we

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are still significantly smaller than the

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AAP we have five hundred five hundred

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twenty members right now compared to

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compared to approximately sixty thousand

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in the AAP and what about the religious

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component of it is there a religious

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component at all to your organization we

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don't have we don't ask our members

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religious so no we're not faith-based or

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politically based we are simply we state

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our our mission is to promote optimal

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child health and our values are that we

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are pro-life and that we stand by the

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science that indicates the natural

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married mother father family to be the

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optimal setting in which to nurture

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children and so when you when you say

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you're pro-life is that from a legal

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policy perspective in other words you

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would advocate for changing the the laws

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or the Constitution to to say that

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abortion should be prohibited so what so

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on our website we just got we describe

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ourselves as wanting to promote policies

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that will protect and honour life from

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conception to natural death so we don't

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lobby we don't engage in political

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activity of that nature we're we're a

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educational organization but

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we would so we provide the science that

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perhaps lobbyists could turn to to argue

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for making abortion illegal so you in my

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right and saying that you hold that

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position that life begins at conception

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from a medical medical perspective right

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not from a religious not from a

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religious perspective nothing to do with

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genetics right so well we're not talking

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about souls or anything like that right

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well by the way I believe that you could

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believe that life begins at conception

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but still theoretically support

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permitting abortion under that's right

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there are folks and they they argue

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about personhood and so on and so forth

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so now we say just from we say from a

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genetic scientific standpoint new life

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begins here and we recognize that as

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and what what about for you does

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religion motivate your work personally

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so personally I would say my my faith

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I'm Catholic gives me the courage to

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speak out because I've otherwise would

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not die speaking out against abortion

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speaking out in favor of psychotherapy

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for unwanted homosexual feelings

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speaking out now on the fact that you

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know normal thinking matches reality is

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enough to be get death threats you get

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death threats

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you get it'll end your career so what

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about simply by what by simply by

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joining your organization if you're an

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active you know professional

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pediatrician and they join your group

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does anything adverse happen to them it

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could yes yes many

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the Southern Poverty Law Center for

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example has labeled numerous

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conservative organizations including the

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American College of pediatricians as

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hate groups they've been discredited

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right even the FBI dropped them but they

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still carry clout so many many of our

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members may join us but not necessarily

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advertise that they belong if they're in

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let's say an academic institution for

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example you your group has been labeled

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a hate group we were labeled a hate

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group when we released the statement

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regarding it's called homosexual

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parenting is it time for a change and in

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that statement which is still on our

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website we highlight the evidence that

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mothers and fathers do matter and do

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make a difference

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and that there are there's significant

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reason to be concerned that children

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could suffer when they're denied either

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a mother or father and that's the

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difference right if if you have someone

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who a woman who gets pregnant and she

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doesn't want to marry the father and

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she's a single parent well that child

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may spend some time without a male role

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model or male fit but it wasn't

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intentional but whenever you have a

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homosexual couple who wants a child

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whether it's through adoption through

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artificial insemination or surrogacy

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whatever that's an intentional decision

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to deprive a child in every case of

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either a mother or fathers and and does

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your group therefore think that

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essentially for instance gay marriage

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should not be legal we did we we did

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opposed yes we opposed gay marriage

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because you cannot separate marriage

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from Parenthood did the Academy take a

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position on gay marriage they did they

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were in favor arguing that marriage

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rights were necessary because they were

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already gay couples parenting children

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so these groups do take policy positions

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because I was just thinking to myself

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right yeah so we that is true the

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American can't

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we're often portrayed as oh the the AAP

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the American Academy is scientific and

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the American College of pediatricians

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they're a bunch of they're just an

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advocacy group if you go on the American

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Academy of Pediatrics website they have

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an entire section and they literally

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have a committee dedicated to advocacy

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and they have their members I mean they

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routinely

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will shoot out mass emails hey contact

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your legislators about this issue and

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everything from gun control climate

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change I mean you name it they are very

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much involved in getting they want their

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members to make noise so you have

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concerns about children being raised by

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gay parents but but why be opposed to

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gay marriage couldn't you be okay with

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gay marriage but but have an issue with

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adoption or that type of thing it's

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impossible legally speaking to separate

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marriage from parenting and this was we

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have a week we have legal consultants to

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our group as well so we try to take that

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into consideration so the only reason

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you up oh is it right to say that the

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only reason that you oppose gay marriage

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was because of the children issue

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correct so as as an organization as the

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American College of pediatricians our

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problem with gay marriage is that it

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fundamentally alters the family and that

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the mother father the married mother

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father family is the most Pro child

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institution we have and so that that was

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for us it's all one of the same marriage

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and parenting and in law that's how it

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comes out as well let's talk about

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gender dysphoria and how that has become

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a big issue for your group sure

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when I say approximately maybe a good

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three three or four years ago I

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got a call from an obstetrician ob/gyn

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colleague of mine who had just seen a

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teen girl who was going to be

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transitioning to a male and this um

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ob/gyn colleague of mine said are you

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guys doing anything about that are you

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aware of this are you doing anything

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about this because these kids are going

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to be sterilized

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and that although I I wasn't aware of

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that fact she was the one who brought

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that to my attention I decided to go to

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the literature the scientific literature

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it was extremely difficult to find now

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my colleague was correct children who

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are put on period lockers before they

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mature their ovaries if they're or if

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your girls or if they're boys if they're

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put on those puberty blockers before

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they have mature sperm and then go to

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across sex hormones

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they'll be permanently sterilized I mean

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and they're making these decisions at

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like age nine to twelve and this is

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crazy so that was what first drew the

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college into all right we have to really

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explore this and look further into it

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that was how many years ago so that was

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a good probably a good four four years

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ago now so prior to that really the the

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causes of say homosexuality or

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transgenderism was not really an

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interest of yours that fair to say well

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I would I would separate I would say

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that the treatment of gender dysphoria

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was not on our radar screen four years

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ago mm-hmm okay so you started looking

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into it and what did you learn what was

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clear is that this is a massive both

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social as well as medical experiment

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that's being carried out on kids around

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the world but we're gonna concern

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ourselves primarily with America and our

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board of directors was just utterly

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dismayed what we learned that what

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happened was in 2013 even a bit earlier

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than then when it hit hit our radar

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screen in 2013 the American Psychiatric

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Association changed the name gender

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identity disorder to gender dysphoria

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and the intention was to decrease stigma

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for those suffering with gender

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dysphoria

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but once that happened activists within

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the psychiatric organization and then

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also without argued well see it's not a

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disorder at all the fact that our

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thinking does not match reality is not a

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problem it's only our distress that's a

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problem and at the same time adult

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transgender activists we're saying well

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we were born this way we're born this

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way and look those kids you say have

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gender identity disorder gender

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dysphoria they're really born trans but

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there's no science to back it up there's

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a lot of claims but there's absolutely

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no science to demonstrate that anyone is

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born with hardwired thoughts feelings

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and behaviors prior to that had the

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Academy taken a position on for instance

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the cause of homosexuality no actually I

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kind of like can we can we focus on the

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gender dysphoria cuz really there's sort

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there's some overlap but they're really

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two separate issues okay well yeah I

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think that that is a question as you

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know whether they're separate or not

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because gender I know there's there's

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there's teachings or the writings out

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there that gender dysphoria

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leads to homosexuality and/or leads to

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to trams and

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it's that it's perhaps on the same

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continuum you-you-you think that they're

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separate it's your belief that they're

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separate yes and no I think that the

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topics are big enough they need to stand

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on their own I'm reluctant to talk about

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two in the same limited program okay if

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we could focus on gender dysphoria where

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we think that comes from and then how it

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overlaps with homosexuality that's

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easier than okay well I will tell you

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that the main the mainstream medical

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organizations present them as two

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entirely separate phenomena I mean look

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it's all the reason why there needs to

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be open discussion about all this

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because am i right and saying that one

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thing that everybody should say could

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take a step back in acknowledges that

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you know we really don't know you think

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they're huge we there's so much we don't

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know they're they're huge

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so for for purposes of a single podcast

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I I would say you know it you can go in

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the scientific literature the

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psychiatric literature and that debate

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the debate G is gender identity disorder

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I mean back when it was called GID

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there were psychiatrists and

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psychologists out there who said you

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know gender identity disorder that's

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just a backdoor diagnosis for

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homosexuality or is it it's a backdoor

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way of treating homosexuality and then

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you had others like dr. ken zuker who

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was world renowned in treating children

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with gender identity disorder saying no

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no they're distinct it's just that

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there's some overlap so that's a debate

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that could be a podcast all to itself

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yeah and it sounds like you're saying

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there is there is a political difference

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between the two right where you could

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talk about the medical difference in the

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political difference as far as how

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homosexuality is looked at versus

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transgenderism if for instance treating

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should we treat transgenderism or a

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child showing gender dysphoria at the

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age of five versus a child who's showing

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perhaps indications that they might be

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gay

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right it's so subjective right it's so

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subjective because in fact that's the

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argument of a lot of I've been contacted

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by LGB activists who they're very angry

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because they're saying look these boys

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who are being transitioned so young if

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they're just effeminate boys and they

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would probably just grow up to be gay

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and look at what we're doing and they

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have a valid they have a valid point

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where everyone across the political

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aisle should be able to agree is that

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breaking sex stereotypes that's not

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something you need to treat with

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hormones and surgery it's okay for a

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little boy

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to pretend he's a princess or like to

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cook or that's not a disorder that you

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want to throw chemicals at and put them

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at risk of sterilization and yet that's

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essentially what we're doing because

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there is no test to say this child is

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gonna grow up and identify himself or

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herself as a transgender adult there is

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no medical test and knows that key a

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tricked test that can do that yeah well

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it really comes down to doesn't it what

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is the cause of it because if you are

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quote-unquote born this way then you

558
00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:11,900
would know that oh yeah

559
00:28:16,810 --> 00:28:13,820
he's showing the indications that means

560
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:16,820
he was born this way and so let's take

561
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:18,710
care of this while he's young so he

562
00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:19,730
doesn't have to deal with these issues

563
00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:21,230
when he's older I and I assume that's

564
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:23,000
the position up on the other side of you

565
00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:25,820
that's what they correct that is what

566
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:28,700
the medical side argues right so where

567
00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:30,260
is their evidence what is the best

568
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:34,700
evidence of born this way they will tell

569
00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:37,610
you that the the latest they've always

570
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:39,820
argued the proponents have always argued

571
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:43,730
that it is either in genes or in the

572
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:49,760
brain as it's been pointed out it's been

573
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:52,790
pointed out that if it were in the

574
00:28:59,300 --> 00:28:56,370
when something's genetic primarily

575
00:29:03,740 --> 00:28:59,310
genetic then identical twins will have

576
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:03,750
that tree close to 100% of the time like

577
00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:06,570
skin color eye color identical twins are

578
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:10,070
identical in skin color and eye color a

579
00:29:15,910 --> 00:29:12,840
hundred percent at a time or darn close

580
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:15,920
to it when it comes to transgenderism

581
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:21,510
identical twins differ 75% of the time

582
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:24,570
so if you differ if identical twins

583
00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:28,290
differ that much that means that genes

584
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:30,900
played very little you know we're made

585
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:33,390
of DNA so you can say all right our DNA

586
00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:35,610
contributes to everything to some degree

587
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:38,400
but when the vast majority of identical

588
00:29:48,130 --> 00:29:42,990
twins do not match for a trait then that

589
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,140
trait is more influenced by our our

590
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:50,640
environment our growing up than other

591
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:54,330
things and so they can't say genes and

592
00:29:59,420 --> 00:29:55,650
the studies say the same thing about

593
00:30:01,520 --> 00:29:59,430
homosexuality that's also true for

594
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:01,530
homosexuality yes in fact that's the

595
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:02,910
studies that I'm aware of I had not

596
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:04,380
heard about studies about trans just

597
00:30:07,580 --> 00:30:05,850
because there's so many fewer trans I

598
00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:07,590
mean seems like there probably aren't a

599
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:09,990
lot of identical twins where one is a

600
00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:12,450
trans to even look at how large was that

601
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:15,060
study even yeah they actually the

602
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:18,870
largest study was by a Milton diamond

603
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:24,000
and he had 110 identical twin pairs I

604
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:27,110
believe and he found there one was trans

605
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:29,580
work where at least one was trained at

606
00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:31,290
least one was trans and he had he was

607
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:33,740
looking at the world literature and the

608
00:30:39,290 --> 00:30:36,390
Netherlands the Swedish countries that

609
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:39,300
have okay so that that that would in

610
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:42,270
your view that that kills the the genes

611
00:30:49,910 --> 00:30:45,570
DNA argue what about the hormone their

612
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:49,920
thing you hear about his hormones there

613
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,010
is no so trans individuals people who

614
00:31:01,090 --> 00:30:58,140
identify as transgender have normal

615
00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:01,100
hormone levels so that's not the issue

616
00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:04,860
and if it were prenatal exposure to

617
00:31:11,150 --> 00:31:06,059
hormone love

618
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:11,160
that had a huge effect again you'd

619
00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:13,590
expect to see higher numbers of

620
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:16,500
identical twins identifying as

621
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,830
transgender because for the most part

622
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:22,020
they're the majority of times those

623
00:31:26,390 --> 00:31:23,940
twins they're in the same the identical

624
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:26,400
twins they're in the same womb with rare

625
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:28,380
with rare exceptions they're also

626
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:31,650
exposed to the same prenatal hormones so

627
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:33,480
tell me tell me about this release of

628
00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:35,490
prenatal hormone issue because I've

629
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:37,460
heard of this me worried is this a real

630
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,580
phenomenon that that women might during

631
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:43,980
pregnancy release an inordinate amount

632
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:49,590
of a typical particular hormone they

633
00:31:56,350 --> 00:31:52,130
would have to be exposed to testosterone

634
00:32:00,980 --> 00:31:56,360
somehow for example or other hormones

635
00:32:03,789 --> 00:32:00,990
normal pregnancy in normal so we're

636
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:03,799
talking the vast majority of pregnancies

637
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:07,230
hormone exposure is determined by the

638
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:12,720
fetus himself if it's if you have a male

639
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:16,530
fetus by eight weeks gestation that male

640
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:19,770
fetus has testes that are developed

641
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:22,740
enough to secrete testosterone and that

642
00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:25,919
testosterone will bathe every cell of

643
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:28,940
that fetuses that male fetuses body a

644
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:33,110
female fetus does not have her own

645
00:32:38,049 --> 00:32:36,090
testes because she's female and she says

646
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:38,059
she does not get that testosterone surge

647
00:32:45,260 --> 00:32:42,030
so right there it tells you that little

648
00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:45,270
girl babies are genetically little girls

649
00:32:50,419 --> 00:32:47,190
because they they have two X chromosomes

650
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:50,429
and they've not experienced a

651
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:52,740
testosterone surge because they don't

652
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:56,250
have testes so you can't get you know

653
00:33:01,220 --> 00:32:58,410
the girl's brain is a girl brain every

654
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,230
brain cell has the XX chromosomes every

655
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,320
girls every female fetus has her brain

656
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:07,500
cells exposed to so she's a she's a

657
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,480
she's a girl inside of a woman but you

658
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:14,100
can't they argue that

659
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:16,290
so initially initially they argued it

660
00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:18,660
was in the genes but no it's not the

661
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:19,880
twins study

662
00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:22,770
don't support that then they argued well

663
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:24,750
the brain in the body are just on

664
00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:27,450
different pages and they have the brain

665
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:29,280
of the opposite sex which is just

666
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:32,700
ridiculous because you can go to science

667
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:34,980
and prenatal development and we know

668
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:38,610
that from conception with female embryos

669
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,760
and fetuses they have they don't have

670
00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:43,440
the Y chromosome they have X chromosomes

671
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:46,950
they the female fetuses do not secrete a

672
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:49,740
testosterone surge the boys the male

673
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:52,560
fetuses do so you're not born with

674
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:55,770
opposite sex brain thank you - Michelle

675
00:33:59,660 --> 00:33:57,570
Kurt Ella for providing that interview

676
00:34:01,400 --> 00:33:59,670
if you want to listen to the rest of

677
00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:01,410
that interview go to the hidden truth

678
00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:03,270
show podcast where ever you listen to

679
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